Causes of Israel Palestine Conflict

Kimi Rodriguez 3 years ago

Brian, I find it extremely interesting that your HUB page deals with this topic as I recently was introduced to Fitna the Movie by Geert Wilder. It can be found if you google the Movie's title. I found it disturbing to say the least and we all need to be vigilant and look to the Lord for guidance during these times. Keep up the good work.

Kimi

Bill Beavers 3 years ago

From current events to biblical days. You got it covered and as usual, important points to remember. Thanks Brian for making us think on another level.

Des 3 years ago

Fantastic article Brian, nice to see someone taking a Biblical perspective on it all for once. God's words concerning Ishmael sum it up better than anything else, of course! Cheers from NZ

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

Brian, You must be mad to write this idiotic article.These

so called WILD DONKEY like HOSTILE BULLIES, are the people who are responsible for the survival of your TRIBE. When Jews

were being Kicked out of the entire Europe and the Germans & the Romans were out to wipe out you guys, these ARABS gave shelter to your tribe, who lived peacefully & prospered well.

Therefore my dear Brian, Pl brush up your history, with facts and figures, Real , not Bogus and then write down your sincere comments about the Muslim, people, who are the greatest Benefactors of your people, without them, the Jews would have become extinct.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

I do not want to argue with you, rather seek clarification of your statement.

- Out of the hundreds of different versions of the Bible,

which version states about the HOSTILE, WILD DONKEYS,

BULLIES tag, for the children of Ismail(peace be upon

him)

- Can you do me a favour by letting me know, what the Great

Bible, says about ISLAM & about Muhammed (Peace be upon

him).

Awaiting anxiously for your response.

Thanks.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

According to my knowledge the Bible have so many things to say about the rise of Soviet Russia and about the Last Days and even about the Pope of the Roman Catholics?" but nothing about "Muhummed!"

Why nothing? Surely this man Muhummed who had been responsible for the bringing into being a world-wide community of millions of Believers who, on his authority, believe in:

(1) the miraculous birth of Jesus,

(2) that Jesus is the Messiah,

(3) that he gave life to the dead by God's permission, and that he healed those born blind and the lepers by God's permission.

Surely this book (the Bible) must have something to say about this great Leader of men who spoke so well of Jesus and his mother Mary?" (Peace be upon them both).

Brian, I am sure, you would find atleast A FLEETING REFERENCE of ISLAM, which is the Fastest Growing religion in the World {in Europe, in Asia, in Africa, in America or in Australia} today & has been for the last few centuries OR about Muhammed(pbuh), if you refer the Bible a bit deeper.

Thanks Brian

Your prompt response is anxiously awaited.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

Thanks for your prompt response to my query. You say, that there is no mention of Muhammed(PBUH). However, I understand that;. Muhummed is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon 5:16. The Hebrew word used there is Muhammuddim. The end letters IM is plural of respect majesty and grandeur. Minus "im" the name would be Muhamud translated as "altogether lovely" in the Authorised Version of the Bible or 'The Praised One' 'the one worthy of Praise' i.e. MUHUMMED!(P.B.U.H)

It would be great if you can confirm about this. You may have to devote some time, to get to the truth of this information.

Thanks a lot Brian.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

Thanks for your response Brian,

I have a few more questions for you, I hope you would be pleased to enlighten me on this subject;

- What makes Islam, the fastest growing religion in the

entire World.

- What makes approximately 20,000 persons, in the U S alone

convert to Islam each year.Even the Guards of Guantanamo

Bay have converted to Islam, after interacting with the

Muslim prisoners there.

- What do you have to say, about the questions, put forward

by Mr Charlie Sheen, regarding the 9/11 tragedy. Mr Sheens

LOGICAL QUERIES, has put the entire Bush Administration

(although no longer in power) to SHAME.

Now don't you think, that these are INDICATIONS of ISLAM

& the MUSLIMS being VICTIMIZED, BULLIED, LOOTED &

TYRANNIZED by the mainly Christian West & American Neo-

Cons ?

Don't you also think, these guys are Scared that the

Muslims, would PROSPER & GROW as they did when Europe was

in DARK AGES, if they are let alone ?

Is this not the reason, why U S blindly supports Israel,

in all its misdeeds, against the Arabs, so as not to let

them have peaceful time to Grow & Flourish, intellectually

Economically and Spiritually, as they have done, during

the early days of Islam ?

Brian, I know these R quite tough questions for anyone to

answer, but I am sure you would take time to answer, each

question, with lot of patience & sincerity.

Thanks a lot for your time.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

My dear Brian, I hope the following experience of Brother

Bruce Paterson, would be able to enlighten you, about the

REAL ISLAM;

Bruce Paterson, Ex-Christian, UK; Says,

I would like to take the opportunity to share with you my journey to Islam and I feel that by sharing this experience with you I can help you on your journey through life. We are all born into different cultures, countries and religions in what often seems a confusing and troubled world. Actually, when we examine the world around us, we can easily see what a troubled state it is in: war, poverty and crime. Need I go on? Yet when we look at our own upbringing and our education, how can we be sure that all the things that we have been told, are in reality the truth?

Unfortunately, most people in the world decide to try to hide and escape from the world’s problems rather than stand up and deal with the truth. Dealing with the truth is often the harder avenue to follow. The question is: Are you willing to stand up for the truth? Are you strong enough? Or, are you going to escape and hide like the rest?

I started my search for the truth a number of years ago. I wanted to find out the truth about the reality of our existence. Surely, to understand life correctly is the key to solving all the worldly problems that we are faced with today. I was born into a Christian family and this is where my journey began. I started to read the bible and to ask questions. I quickly became unsatisfied. The priest told me, “You just have to have faith.” From reading the bible I found contradictions and things that were clearly wrong. Does God contradict himself? Does God lie? Of course not!

I moved on from Christianity, thinking the scriptures of the Jews and the Christians are corrupted so there is no way that I can find the truth from the false. I started finding out about Eastern Religions and Philosophies, particularly Buddhism. I spent a long time meditating in Buddhist temples and talking to the Buddhist monks. Actually, the meditating gave me a good clean feeling. The trouble was that it didn’t answer any of my questions about the reality of existence. Instead it carefully avoided them in a way that makes it seem stupid to even talk about it.

I travelled to many parts of the world during my quest for the truth. I became very interested in tribal religions and the spiritualist way of thinking. I found that a lot of what these religions were saying had truth in them, but I could never accept the whole religion as the truth. This was the same as where I started with Christianity!

I began to think that there was truth in everything and it didn’t really matter what you believed in or what you followed. Surely though this is a form of escaping. I mean, does it make sense: one truth for one person and another truth for someone else? There can only be one truth!

I felt confused, I fell to the floor and prayed, “Oh, please God, I am so confused, please guide me to the truth.” This is when I discovered Islam.

Of course I always knew something about Islam, but only what we naively hear in the West. I was surprised though by what I found. The more that I read the Quran and asked questions about what Islam taught, the more truths I received. The striking difference between Islam and every other religion is that Islam is the only religion that makes a strict distinction between the creator and the creation. In Islam, we worship the creator. Simple. You will find however, that in every other religion there is some form of worship involving creation. For example, worshipping men as incarnations of God or stones, sounds familiar. Surely though, if you are going to worship anything, you should worship the one that created all. The one that gave you your life and the one who will take it away again. In fact, in Islam, the only sin that God will not forgive is the worship of creation.

However, the truth of Islam can be found in the Quran. The Quran is like a text book guide to life. In it you will find answers to all questions. For me, everything I had learnt about all the different religions, everything that I knew to be true, fitted together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. I had all the pieces all along but I just did not know how to fix them together.

I would therefore like to ask you to consider Islam now. The true Islam as described in the Quran. Not the Islam that we get taught about in the West. You may at least be able to cut down your journey in search of the truth about life. I pray for your success, regardless.

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

Dear Brian, do U Know,What is the truth about Christianity?

Is Jesus Christ the God OR the Son of God ? THINK !!!!!!

RE-THINK !!!!!!& NOW PLEASE READ ON WITH AN OPEN MIND!

THE FOLLOWING EXTRACTS FROM THE BIBLE BEAR TESTIMONY TO THE QURANIC TRUTH THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders ans signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.-(ACTS 2:22).

"And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God...-(REVELATION 19:10)

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.-(JOHN 12:49).

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.-(JOHN 5:30-31).

...for my Father is greater than I.-(JOHN 14:28).

And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.-(JOHN 17:3)

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his Lord; neither he that is sent greater than He that sent him.-(JOHN 13:16)

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her (Mary Magdalene)... I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.-(JOHN 20:17)

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.-(MARK 13:32)

But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.-(JOHN 8:40).

The above example is sufficient to say that, Jesus Christ

was/is not God, but a MESSENGER of the Almighty Allah, just like Muhammed(Pbuh) was.

And the Noble Qu'ran states that

Jesus Christ (Pbuh) will come back to Earth as a FOLLOWER

OF Muhammed (Pbuh) & did a natural death, which is when the World would START COMING TO AN END.

Thanks for your time

Mirza Baig 2 years ago

PLEASE DO NOT ERASE THIS TRUTH FROM THIS BLOG, ERASING THIS COLUMN WILL NOT ERASE THE FACT, Thank You in advance.

Brian says that , the media is biased against Israel, and The world has turned a deaf ear to Israel, and listens to the lies of it's enemy. An enemy who only wants to kill every Jew from the face of the earth.

Brian is sadly mistaken or taking you all for a ride.

Did the Muslims bought the World famous;REUTERS ,CNN , BBC, NEW YORK TIMES from the Jews ?

OR

Are they being paid to speak for the Muslims ?

HAD THE MUSLIMS NOT HELPED AND HEALED HE JEWS, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN EXTINCT BY NOW, as they were driven away from ALL OVER EUROPE.

Muslims gave them shelter, when the Christians were after their lives. THESE ARE ELEMENTARY FACTS,WHICH EVERY EDUCATED PERSON OUGHT TO KNOW.

Now read this if you, care for the truth;

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Rabbi Chaim Soloveitchik said:

"The Zionists aren't taking Jews away from Judaism in order to have a State, THEY NEED A STATE IN ORDER TO TAKE JEWS AWAY FROM JUDAISM"

Former Israel's President Mr Ezer Weizman says ;

"I think there are closer relations between Jews and Muslims than between the Jews and Christians. For Muslims do not eat pork, as well as Jews. Islam did not wage crusades nor persecuted the Jews as the Christians did in Europe."

• (Speech at the 1997 Yom Hashoah Commemoration (Holocaust Memorial) Honoring Albanian Righteous Gentiles and Jewish Survivors, New York City Council Chamber, May 2, 1997)

Remembering Albania's Protection of the Jews During the Holocaust

by Dr. Anna Kohen

•

Dear Friends:

•I'm honored to be here today commemorating the biggest tragedy of our nation, the Holocaust. We are also here to celebrate one of the aspects of human behavior -- that of helping each other in time of need. We look back on these dark times of civilization with tearful eyes and broken hearts trying to find lighter moments to ease the pain.

Every tradegy has its own good side. It brings people together regardless of race, color, or religion. It tries to restore hope in their victim's soul and attempts to heal the wounds inflicted on them by their fellow humans. The Holocaust is not only going to be remembered for the millions of lives that perished into the flames of hatred, it will also be remembered for the humanity of others helping the Jews.

There is a small country in the heartland of Europe called Albania where I was fortunately born, where hospitality to foreigners is part of their tradition. During the Second World War, not only did the Albanians save all the Jews who were living among them but they dared to share their homes, their food and their lives with them. Albania has its share of Oscar Shindlers, and, indeed, so many that we could never have thanked each glorious one of them.

Let us be reminded that not one - not one - of the Jews living in Albania, or those who sought refuge there were turned over to the fascists -- all found a safe haven at great danger to their protectors.

My family was one of many who were saved. I'm not a survivor but a child of survivors, born in Vlora in southern Albania. My parents, Nina and David Kohen, came from Janina, Greece. They were living in Vlora when the Nazis invaded Albania. They fled to the mountains and hid in a small Muslim village called Trevlazer. They took Muslim names, my father David became Daut, my mother Nina became Bule, and my brother Elio became Ali. Everyone in the village knew they were Jews but not one person betrayed them.

I had a very interesting experience that I would like to share with you: when I was about 5 or 6 years old, I was walking down the street with my mother, and I heard someone shouting, "Bule, Bule!!!" I turned my head to see what was going on, and this woman was running towards us. She ran to my mother and started to kiss and hug her with tears streaming down her face. Later on, my mother told me that she was one of the women from the Muslim village that had saved her life. Other Jews were hiding in people's houses. As you can see, the Albanian people risked their lives for the Jews. I would not be here today delivering this speech if it were not for the courage and generosity of those Albanians.

Until the year 1990, little was known about Albania and the Albanian Jews but when things began to change in the country, an Israeli photographer, Gavra Mandil, remembered the Veseli family who saved his life. Gavra Mandil had taken refuge in Albania after the Nazis invaded Yugoslavia, and the Veseli family saved him. He invited Refik Veseli to Israel, and, for the first time, an Albanian Muslim was honored with the title Righteous Gentile. As a matter of fact, if you look at the calendar in the Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, DC, on the second page in the month of February, is a picture of Gavra Mandil and Refik Veseli. Since then, more and more Righteous Albanians were discovered and honored in Israel. A list of all of their names is posted in the museum.

On behalf of the Albanian Jews living in Albania, Israel, and America, I would like to give a message to the Albanian people and the Righteous Gentiles: thank you for saving us, we will never forget you.

As Apostol Kotani says in his recent book, The Hebrews of Albania During Centuries, "Sikur te kisha krahe e te fluteroja do te veja te puthja token Shqipetare qe me shpetoj jeten. / If I could have wings to fly, I would come to kiss the holy Albanian land which saved my life." Thank you.

What is the 'Golden Age'? Did the Muslims really blossom together with Jews?

•In fact, the years between 900 and 1200 in Spain and North Africa are known as the Hebrew "golden age," a sort of Jewish Renaissance that arose from the fusion of the Arab and Jewish intellectual worlds. Jews watched their Arab counterparts closely and learned to be astronomers, philosophers, scientists, and poets.

•"At its peak about one thousand years ago, the Muslim world made a remarkable contribution to science, notably mathematics and medicine. Baghdad in its heyday and southern Spain built universities to which thousands flocked. Rulers surrounded themselves with scientists and artists. A spirit of freedom allowed Jews, Christians, and Muslim to work side by side..."

NOW DO YOU STILL THINK THAT THE MUSLIMS, ARE THE ENEMIES OF THE JEWS OR IS IT THE OTHER WAY TODAY ???

ISLAM DOES NOT TEACH US TO KILL/HARM/TORTURE/HARRASS/HURT anybody, not even the animals, which is the reason why we make the animal drink water and relax before sacrifice.

The Christians during the Crusades and now Israel, is creating havoc on the Muslims, wherever they can; but praise be to Allah, Muslims still exist throughout the World with a lot more dignity, than the others.

The enemies of Islam, are working overtime to defame the great religion of Peace, with their clout on the world media & in the International Society.

THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BLOWING THEMSELVES UP, IN JEWISH AREAS,

ARE THE ONES, WHO HAVE LOST THEIR KITH AND KIN, DUE TO JEWISH BARBARITY, AND AMERICAN COMPLICITY ARE TOTALLY FRUSTRATED WITH THE SITUATION, HENCE KILLING THEMSELVES, ALONGWITH THE JEWS,

This is NOT permitted in Islam.

Please think better and write better, henceforth;

Thanks for your time.

Ramla 2 years ago

Brian, OSama and all these other extremists are not following the religion of Islam. Islam is a peaceful religion...the word Islam originated from the word salam which means peace in Arabic. please do no judge a religion because of a few people who are making it look bad....go ahead and read the quran itself....dnt listen to the media which only focuses on the negative side of islam....

Adam 2 years ago

Yes, I am with you, Ramla. The Quran is infact the Last Testament / The Final Revelation from the God. Anyone, who reads it with a Positive mind, would be Guided by the Lord.

Jewish in Israel to Mizra 2 years ago

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but hell ALL TERRORISTS are MUSLIM. So do a better job of educating your children for quality, and not bring into this world quantity.

Best.

Shaun 2 years ago

This started as a discussion about Israel and Palestine, but has completely gone off track. Why? People are focusing on religion, rather than the real reason to why there is conflict: human nature, albeit exacerbated by the existence of the concept of religion itself. If it wasn't religion, it'd be the brand of shoes we wear, or the colour of hair. We'd find something to fight about, no doubt. Being from a computer programming background, I have no hesitation in saying that if there is a God, he royally screwed up our programming - we have some massive bugs to deal with.

My case here regards Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and the majority of institutional religions. The basis of these religions in general is based primal human need to (1) answer questions regarding the origins of life and beyond, (2) to form communities and unity through the formation of common enemies, (3) to control the masses of (mostly uneducated) people in a given society, and (4) whether or not you'll accept this truth - to collectively feel better about the self, even if the means is by denigrating and ridiculing other groups. These things I'm stating aren't "opinions". They are *facts*. Just look into yourself, and you'll realise its true enough. Don't lie to yourself.

So, we as humans, for centuries, have done nothing but divided ourselves and fought between those divisions (then rinse, wash, repeat). Several eras and several religions have passed us by over thousands of years, so what's to say yours is the "truth"?

There are Yamaha motorcycle clubs for those that love Yamaha motorcycles, and they'll get together and talk about how much better Yamaha bikes are than others because of (insert motorcycle jargon here). There are scientologists. There are people that insist on drinking a certain brand of tea. There are people that love Apple computers and would bring death to Microsoft if they could. When are we going to wake up and realise that religion is just another one of these things, but because of a number of factors (namely controversiality and taboo), it has been allowed to go on for too long.

Note that I'm only referring to institutionalised religions in my statements - I actually don't believe practicing religion for personal reasons or for trying to discover truth within is harmful at all, in fact it is quite enlightening. But to judge others for not following a religion, to claim that my religion is "truer" than yours - this mentality *is* the cause of conflict. And Brian, for as long as people think like that, we'll have war.

So, lets not point the finger at the Palestinians, or the Israelis. Lets just admit that we're all human, and thus have characteristics and thought schemas that LEAD to conflict. It's not about following a particular religion and having all of our problems solved, its about recognising these destructive thought patterns, catching them out, and actively *NOT* acting upon them.

Peace.

Shaun (again) 2 years ago

Apologies Brian - I really should proof read my posts rather than perform in-the-moment responses!

- "... based primal human need " should be ". based ON THE primal human need";

- "...to wake up and realise that religion is just another one of these things," should really have a question mark (?) at the end, not a comma;

- "..namely controversiality.." - "controversiality" is a not even a word, I meant "controversy"

And I should point out that all this is a gross oversimplification of the conflict in Israel/Palestine. Firstly that land has been in conflict for millenia, so this is nothing new. Secondly, this most recent conflict has been ridden with dirty politics, unjust policies, complete defiance of international laws, rogue behaviour and perpetuated rife hatred of the other group on BOTH SIDES.

But, history repeats itself over and over - the side with more guns and military prowess has almost always prevailed during an occupancy and goes on to treat the other group as lower class citizens. Consequently the "our group is better than yours" attitude is infused into the psyche of the occupiers. Religion isn't even in the equation here.

But I'll be quiet now.

debugs 2 years ago

When was the last time any of you heard of a Jewish or Christian mother strapping her kid with a bomb so that it would kill others including her kid? I also do not believe in flying camels and neither is Moe in the Bible. I don't think marrying six year olds have been okayed by the Bible so Moe can't be there. I do not think that Islam is a religion of peace and I say this not to offend, but to tell you the truth.

MathiasLucas 2 years ago

I found the dialogue to be absolutely fascinating... If only the disputes of the World (including the Arab/Israeli) war could be discussed rather then shedding of blood. I am an American (born in Korea-- notice I didn't say Asian American--I am an AMERICAN--tired of those who keep putting titles in front of American--we are all AMERICAN) anyway, who stumbled across this trying to get a better understanding of the "original"/ biblical reasons of this conflict.

A couple of observations:

Brian was very methodical and answered each question that Mirza kept "throwing" at him.

Mirza did not answer the questions that Brian asked of her but kept going for the personal or as I like to say "pulling of the heart string" attacks.

Typical of debates though, look at the American political debates... often the facts and issues get overlooked by personal attacks or references and quotes from every dick and jane who has a thought or opinion and is used as facts.

One can say Muslim is the fastest growing religion... well who is that "one". I can say that the world is flat but that doesn't make it true just because I said so... Facts and statistics can and are often "created" for one's agenda or purpose (umm Al Gore and Global Warming come to mind?). As also can the Bible be interpreted and used for one's own purpose... look at how many Christian religions that exist and they all use a "Bible" don't they and yet we have sooo many "Christian" religions...

Finally, I find it amazing in my studies that all of this (the PLO/Israel war) stems from two half/brothers... and yet... we can go back to two brothers (Cain and Abel)and we see the influence of good vs evil.

In NO WAY do I say that Arabs/ Muslims etc etc are evil... what I AM saying is that much like Cain and Abel there are "reasons" why each brother and half brother did what they did... It is not about religion, it is not about races, it is not about who is right and wrong... it is the "motives" behind their actions that helps us to understand the "reasons" why the PLO, Muslim, Christians, Jews, Asians, Mexicans, Blacks ETC do what they do... "Love the Lord they God with all thy heart, might, mind and strength.... the second...Love they neighbor as theyself"

IF ONLY we could abide by these the first and second great commandments can we TRULY come to peace and an understanding of God, Allah, Buddah, Mohamed, Vishnu or anything or anyone else you choose to believe in.

Peace...

Hannah Frankel 2 years ago

First off, Hannah Frankel is a pen name and an homage to one of my grandmothers. The 'real' Hannah Frankel fled Nazi Germany and went to Israel. So you don't have to make any assumptions based on my name, I am quite proudly and most certainly an MOT--a Member of the Tribe.

With respect to the issue of biased news coverage raised in the Hub, one need only look to the events of the past week to find such evidence. While much has been made about the plan for new housing in East Jerusalem, there has been scant mention in the US media about the rocket attacks in Israel.

Yes, rocket attacks and NOT IDF rockets. No, these were Arab rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. And there haven't been just one or two attacks but 16 in the last week!!! Sadly, one person was killed by the rockets.

What would happen if Mexico sent 16 rockets into California? Would the US just sit idly by? After all the US gained control of Alta California as part of the spoils of war.

I mean for the focus of this comment to be on media coverage however I must also mention that Israel REGAINED access to East Jerusalem by virtue of winning a war--the 1967 Six Day War--that they DID NOT START.

ronbarak 23 months ago

that their sending a suicide bomber

should be

that they're sending a suicide bomber

She eventually ran off into the wilderness

should be

Hagar eventually ran off into the wilderness

The tension between Israel Palestine conflict will always exist

should be

The tension between Israel and Palestine will always exist

to keep our eyes and hears

should be

to keep our eyes and ears

salara 22 months ago

http://hubpages.com/t/1595e4

palestine_foresaken

Benefits of Military Loans 21 months ago

I would like to take the opportunity to share with you my journey to Islam and I feel that by sharing this experience with you I can help you on your journey through life. We are all born into different cultures, countries and religions in what often seems a confusing and troubled world. Actually, when we examine the world around us, we can easily see what a troubled state it is in: war, poverty and crime. Need I go on? Yet when we look at our own upbringing and our education, how can we be sure that all the things that we have been told, are in reality the truth?

Unfortunately, most people in the world decide to try to hide and escape from the world’s problems rather than stand up and deal with the truth. Dealing with the truth is often the harder avenue to follow. The question is: Are you willing to stand up for the truth? Are you strong enough? Or, are you going to escape and hide like the rest?

arab muslim 19 months ago

The reasons for Arab-Israeli conflict is the occupation of Palestine in 1948.

Palestine Arab Islamic state like the rest of the Arab and Islamic states surrounding

Them. Means that there are Jews and Zionists in Palestine a big mistake, because this entity

Zionist is not consistent with the surrounding area (such as language, customs, traditions and religion)

The only solution to end the Arab-Israeli conflict is the expulsion of Jews from Palestine

All of Palestine. The Jewish people will not rest and will not feel comfortable and stability

But if it gets out of Palestine and the Middle East completely. If people continue to

Jews in Palestine and the Middle East, the death and destruction will continue.

Palestine Arab Islamic state and will remain

jay 19 months ago

if the israelis are just trying to bomb the places where the palestianans are hiding there weapons how can they if they dont have any support from any governments or the united nations???????

Peter Lee 19 months ago

Israel would crush the Arab countries if they invaded.....

Israel has nukes and they don't

Peter Lee 18 months ago

Israel has God on their side

tony alvarez 17 months ago

You are right, no argument about it. The key question is: Are we ready for the rapture? It will happen regardless if anybody doubt it.

Hope we are spreading the good news given by our Lord Jesus to be born again.

God Bless.

tony alvarez

Jinny 16 months ago

I'm not a believer, but I was before.....I see that the conflict is quite based on religion.

I'm trying to figure out, as a high school student, what the causes were for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Can you tell me the right answer, Mr.Gosur?

daouady 16 months ago

Brian, nice job. I have soooooo much to say to the Muslims trying to argue with you. I was born and brought up in the Islamic world. Some of my family members are Muslims. I am fluent in Arabic, have tought on Islamic religion, politics and culture. My with is from Palestine, so I would humbly assert that I know a thing or two about the subject and very dealt with these "soft" arguments. I can wipe the floor with these guys any day but today is not that day. You are doing a great job, keep it up and don't let them discourage you.

Blessings

Zane3744 14 months ago

Tell me just one thing, If Palestine is the aggressor, why have they only LOST more land since 1948?

Also, please read my hub I wrote about Islam!

God bless!

Michael 14 months ago

The Israel-Palestine conflict has nothing to do with anything that has happened in the bible --if that was what you were implying-- aside from it's citation as a historical document showing that the Jews were there first.

The Jews are smart enough to know that citing the bible on theological grounds --since it does say that God gave them that land -- would be untenable.

I'm sorry, but people like you who love injecting religion into, what should be, purely secular conflicts of a sort, open up the religious to a lot of mocking.

People like Sam Harris say that religion is a source of conflict and therefore should be expunged. Let's not give people like him the bullets to be able to say such things.

Michael 14 months ago

Sorry Brian, but it doesn't seem like your analysis on ishmael and isaac, and how that relates to the Israel and Palestine conflict, holds any water at all. Seems like a lot of mental acrobatics to be able to say that that's why this conflict is the way it is. It seems you only know about 5% of what the conflict is ACTUALLY about. You can read anything into anything.

No, science is man's explanation of things. Religion is *seen* as man's way to God. The Bible was written by authors who may have been inspired by God, but it is in NO way the "very word of God". I'm sure you've been able to study the bible extensively to know that there are numerous inconsistencies in that book. God doesn't make mistakes, people do.

Michael 14 months ago

Brian,

The Gospel accounts in the new testament differ from each other. You can argue that it differs only slightly, but that's beside the point. God's word ought to be perfect now, shouldn't it? These inconsistencies are obviously because we are seeing things as how the authors saw them. For instance, Judas dies a particular way in one account, and died a completely different way at another.

There are other inconsistencies that I'm sure you are aware of. That makes the whole 'Bible is the exact word of God' argument completely ridiculous. Those authors were human. Besides, the notion that the Bible is the exact word of God is a notion that's by itself extra-biblical.

Michael 14 months ago

With respect Brian, I think it is you who's listening to everyone else. I can understand the differences in vantage point, and how that can create different versions of a story. But some inconsistencies in the bible cannot just be explained away by this. How can Judas die more than one way? How can one new testament author claim that, apart from Jesus, hundreds of other saints were raised from the dead, while the other authors had no idea of anything of that sort?

Look, I am a Christian, and I believe that what's written in the bible was inspired by God. Just as you may have been inspired by something in your life that you chose to write about. But it doesn't seem like the exact word of God, that would be setting the bar quite low. Do I believe that Jesus is God? Yes. Do I believe that Adam was an actual man that lived? No. The biggest problem I see, and the cause for all this blow-back against Christianity, or religion in general, is that literalists tend to take militant views by injecting their theology into everything. The Palestine-Israel conflict was initially a purely secular one. And I'm afraid for religion, when people choose to use it as a multiplier that turns everything into a closed argument.

Zane3744 14 months ago

Bin Laden represents me, A Muslim as much as Hitler represents you, a Christian. Islam IS a religion of peace

Michael 14 months ago

If you don't know the inconsistencies about Judas' death among the new testament scholars, then why do you going on about bible inerrancy? That's hardly the only inconsistency that can't be explained away by differences in vantage points. There's no omission there, just two completely different accounts of his death. I suggest you read about these things before trying to harmonize them based on your already established presuppositions.

I believe that Jesus is God because I believe the bible. The evidence for Jesus' resurrection, to me, is compelling. The experience of the Holy spirit is likewise compelling, albeit can only be subjectively felt.

I can rely on the truth of some parts of the bible that were obviously meant as historical narrations; For instance, Luke was a biographer as meticulous as anyone could have been. We can see it from his writings. A lot of the New testament writings, especially the letters of the early Christians, fall in the category of ancient epistles --these documents, for historians, are taken as actual events because of the category they fall into.

We do not have to take everything literally, especially the stories in the O.T. These are more akin to mythology. No doubt, a lot of them are also historically accurate, but definitely not all of them. Just the same way a historian will see a particular biography, because of the kind of manuscript that it is -- and so long as it seamlessly fits in with the period while having no evidence pointing to it's inaccuracy -- as an actual historical narration of events. This is simply the methodology. By the same token, no one will take Homer's Odyssey as an actual historical biography of Odysseus, because of the category such manuscripts fall into.

In other words, we use a scientific methodology, which has worked time and time again, to be able to pick out which parts are to be taken as historical, and which parts seem more like works of allegory.

Michael 14 months ago

Brian,

You're talking as if being a physician and a biographer is mutually exclusive. He wrote a biography of Jesus, didn't he? What does that make him? Be that as it may, he was a meticulous historian. I suggest you read about what Christian Bible scholars have to say about Luke.

I am not claiming that I'm the one who can pick and choose anything. The method of categorizing manuscripts as historical or allegorical has already been well established by historians.

I've already named one inconsistency, which you've just responded with an 'eh?'. Until you can tell me how someone can die twice, one way completely different from the other, then your 'differences in vantage point' argument holds absolutely no weight. Why don't we stick to that first; let's not play the game of 'name the inconsistency that I can answer'.

"Again Michael you revert to mans way of thinking and science to figure out who God is."

-- Clearly, I'm not doing anything of that sort. I'm using Science to help me identify and categorize manuscripts that are hundreds if not thousands of years old, and this allows me to better understand God's word. What do you propose? Everyone follow your gut on how to interpret the bible? You do know that many Christians see allegory and metaphor on different parts of the bible right? Why are they wrong? Because you say so?

"You have to take all of God's word or you can not stand on any part. You can't pick and choose what you want to believe."

-- Clearly, I'm not choosing what to believe. I'm following a methodology that works and makes sense. Without a method of interpreting the bible, people would be more less-constrained, and can acrobatically re-interpret things to fit their own pre-suppositions --just like what you have done. So I reject your claim that my following a methodology is akin to believing what I want to believe, on the contrary, the opposite is true.

Michael 14 months ago

Brian,

In other words, you say "well, our puny minds cannot understand these things so we should just trust what is written in the bible"

Then might as well stop reading too much of the bible into everything, since you obviously don't trust your own human ability to understand what's written there. And that's all I'm doing, following a methodology -- used by theologians, I should add, to better understand.

"You can't view God through the puny eyes or mind of what makes sense to us. God is God and we aren't. He can do anything He wants to do."

-- Hundreds of years of Christian theology down the drain right there.

kunal 12 months ago

i Have read almost the whole comment. Living in india, as a an indian where most people follow the hindu way of living. Believing in as many numbers of god that you can count. However, i do not go to a temple, though i take my family to the temples as a driver. I step into a temple not to worship, but to read what people find while going to a temple. I have studied in schools of christians. I feel reading and writing easier than my mother tongue. Any important affair in my life is not complete till i have worshipped. I have christian friends so i have muslim friends. All of them are very the same as myself. However we keep religion out of our discussion. I think you read and write as if god is besides you. If god is powerful and whose commands we follow then why he is exposing to us the radiations of satans. The whole world is burning, be it israel and palestine or india pakistan. Why does he not get rid of these and i mean not only the christian god but gods of all religion. Or they are enjoying our helpness when a mad group of people made 9/11 anc many of those every other day, be it in india, muslim world, or the west. If he is all knowing why dont he call up the police and inform about it. Or they god dont have a phone mobile. Till the day people on this day will fall to people preaching god the fight will always on the scale that people no way related will keep dying. Without these wars will still be fought, because human race is a hunter race, so are all creatures on these earth. A deer will consume grass, anc be consumed by a tiger. Only way human killing by human stop if all human think on the grounds of prosperity, science and how to act as earthling. Think of going to the planets like we found the new world. God is just a superficial word. Respect him if you know him, do not superimpose on others. Lastly remember world was flat for many a years in the christian world, but did it survive the tide of time. Become a rationalist, use your brains buddy, as god given lot of tnem. love always.

brian #2 12 months ago

Brian Gosur... you are the one who is completely blind. You say hateful things about someone else's beliefs/religion while being completely blind to the faults with your version of chrisitanity. and yes christianity is a religion or "lifestyle". Christ was a person. All i see in your rants is your EGO and it's a HUGE one.

gaza 8 months ago

what i can say is we need to stop the conflicts b/w them n make them live in peace for better future of coming generation!!!!!

Dov Marcu 8 months ago

The European culture of Israel is the cause of this cultural conflict.

Dov Marcu 8 months ago

If the Israelis did not have fun,the Israeli-Palestinian conflict might end.

Dov Marcu 8 months ago

Terror=Imperialism

Having Fun=Hedonism

Terror and Hedonism are forbidden in the Islam and it should be forbidden in Israel.

Marc 6 months ago

"A state (or person's) terrorist, is another's freedom fighter" Just a quote I found from the internet. Thought it might be relevant to this discussion. P.S. I'm just a high school student who's doing a unit on terrorism and I thought that this discussion was quite interesting! I learned quite a few things!

Majdoleine 6 months ago

umm christianity IS a religion and no muslims r really peaceful cuz of their religion Mr. Gunsor

IsraelbelongstotheCreator 5 days ago

Israelis are dignified and play fair - no question of that. Israel is ENTITLED to THEIR LAND Israel. Their enemies only seek to subvert the truth and frustrate Israel with gimmicks, lies & time-wasting antics. The Lord Jesus is Creator of this Universe and in HIS time HE will bring all that has been prophecied about Israel, to pass. Brother Brian, your patience in answering these doubts, false claims, etc is admirable. Please do not give up - The LORD JESUS will reward you for your testimony and faithfulness. God Bless you.